Christopher Hitchens – Religion Illustrated 2 of 2
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For more videos and playlists like this one, please visit www.youtube.com This is the brilliant opening statement that Christopher Hitchens gave in a religion vs. atheism debate with Alister McGrath on October 11, 2007. Instead of simply watching Hitchens at the podium, here the speech’s audio is overlayed with illustations to try to do justice to the logic of this very compelling argument. – Video created by: 43alley
The way he says it, I wouldnt believe it either. Humans have only been here for 6000yrs- We have all of the geneologies. If Jesus would have came to china, Hitchens would have a reason why that was not a good place. The Jewish people were chosen to be Gods witnessess, cause he had to choose someone. So of course that is where the messiah would be born.
Eternal salvation and Grace is offered to you to Christopher, but noone will make you accept it.
@AjaPuppy
Hindus commonly silo their widows away from society in commune type arrangements. This subjugates the women in this society to being subordinate to men. I would not say that this is NOT terribly respectful of females whom it would seem are of no use except for propagation and avoided and really shunned after their husband’s demise.
@jakahn6661 hahaha now thats a prayer i can get behind haha. my fellow rationalists i applaud this!
stop taking away rights from my gay bros and sisters in name of god. stop flying planes into buildings and stop blowing yourself up. we secular humanists just want peace for us and our children and the greatest threat to peace in 2010 is bullshit religion. Stop believing myths and start being intellectually honest. the 12th century is far over, so step into the new millenia w the rest of us.
Our brains, which art in our heads, treasured be thy names. Thy reasoning come. The best you can do be done on earth as it is. Give us this day new insight to resolve conflicts and ease pain. And lead us not into supernatural explanations, deliver us from denial of logic. For thine is the kingdom of reason, and even though thy powers are limited, and you’re not always glorious, you are the best evolutionary adaptation we have for helping this earth now and forever and ever. So be it.
Nah. Metaphysics is merely a branch of philosophy. Where science needs to debunk the parts of philosophy that are patently false, it does so. Where science needs to accept the fundamental principles of philosophy that intend to explain things and appears to fail, science says “we need more facts”. And where science needs to accept the apparent truths of philosophy based on acceptable facts, it wholeheartedly does so. Likewise, Atheism consistently does the same in regards to philosophy.
Christopher {bearer of Christ} Hitchens feeds off the ignorance of his fawners. “Atheism” is the religion of the criminally insane.
@jjgdenisrobert : The problem is “atheism” as it denies metaphysics.
@LovingKimiKatkar I would re-phrase that: “Renounce Religion, and step into the Light”. I don’t care whether it’s theistic or non-theistic, it’s not God that’s the problem, but religion. I have as much of an issue with Objectivism (Ayn Rand’s atheistic religion) as I do with Christianity or Islam.
@AjaPuppy An exeption to the ‘rule’ does not negate that his point is generally correct of the major most influential religions.
“Name me one religion that isn’t disgusted by our own sexuality” Okay: Hinduism. In fact, most eastern religions celebrate sex as the creator of life. They don’t revile it as Hitchens would want you to believe
There have been natural events that ancient man thought were miracles. Such as the first born were killed by an angry god being. Actually it was a volcanic vent causing a toxic iron oxide gas which exphistiated the young. They were kept on the ground floor as babys. Thats why they died by the low toxic cloud. Please excuse the spelling errors.
Thanks great video
I love the way I go onto these video’s on youtube and everytime I scroll down there’s some christian’s arguing on behalf of their ego and self esteem. The fact you are even on this video shows how vulnerable you are without your bullshit faith, but then to go and create pointless laughable beef really says it all. Im guessing it feels horrible learning the fallacies in your faith. Bless.
Brilliant. I’ve said that religion sprouted to give comfort from things we could not, at the time, understand.
When it was found what a great tool it was to control or rule populations, then it became sinister.
Now we have ‘the church’ in Cali’, which donated the largest to defeating Prop 8, yet NO ONE called them on their tax-exempt status of ‘separation of church and state?
Wars, hate, murder, genocide… All in “god’s name”
Frightening that people still believe this nonsense.
Christopher Hitchens is truly a genious. Thanks for opening my eyes
You maybe arguing something tangential to my point, and in doing so try to shift me to argue a point that I don’t care to make. Not ALL religions have a virgin birth. Not all hate gays. Not all say bad things about women, or sex. So to say “RELIGION” does X is a false statement. If you are arguing against any other point you are addressing your messages to the wrong person.
Further, CH is playing to the local audience. He can’t possibly distill every single exception within the span of his given time. And to do so would be meaningless because few people ascribe to those cases, even fewer are aware such cases exist, and still fewer will be inclined to try. His point stands when entires sections of continents adhere to very sex-averse proselytization that is causing far more suffering than it would ever prevent.
You are correct only to the point of useless technicality. The point here, for our discussion, is that whether specific religions are pliant on sex or not is of little consequence. Most anyone that is religious adheres to one that is not pliant on sex. Sikhs are like Xians when it comes to sex. Even the Romans had fits of anti-sex regulation in their pagan worship. The number of sex-open religions pales in comparison to even the number of denominations of a single other major religion.
@GenericUser19xx His point is twisting. If RELIGION causes X then all religions must cause X. Otherwise you have to say “Some” or “Abrahamic” or you are twisting the truth. I agree that Abrahamists and Hindus are sexist and have sex issues. That isn’t the same as all religion having issues with sex. It isn’t.
His point is salient in that half the world – indeed more than half if you include Hinduism – adheres to religions that are not friendly to sex. The “3 Majors” have a lot of serious problems with sex, and the repression of it seen in the world is a direct result of those religions, though Judaism has marginally less to answer for in this regard. But the religions you cite are comparatively insignificant to the others in terms of proliferation, which is why he makes the point as he does.
YT’s comment system sucks. My reply to you was placed under the wrong item, so it looks like my response is to one of your other posts. Second, text comms, especially abbreviated ones as here, are atrocious at giving nuance no matter how hard you try. I read your msg several times before replying, and what you wrote is how I took it. Realize when you write that things can be taken more than one way. You have to be as careful as I do, and there’s no reason I shouldn’t have taken it as I did.
@GenericUser19xx It’s called sarcasm my dear. I suppose you must be forgiven for thinking I really meant that religion used as a means for controlling people was good. But only so far. It was clearly an ironic statement. I’d appreciate it if you stop ranting and start reading. I never said anything about Islam, nor did I say he was wrong by and large. What I did say is he talks about “religion” as if it means Abrahamic belief. It doesn’t. I love CH style and poise but he has a bad habit.
Are you trying to be dodgy? CH goes after Christianity because that’s what’s relevant in the US. You guys continually harp on this point and exclaim “Why doesn’t he attack Islam?!” CH does *all the time*, if you knew anything about him. And do you not understand the strategy of addressing biases of the audience? Do you not think Olasky is doing the same but in a different direction for his argument? Stop playing coy. And religion’s claimed usefulness is separate from whether its claims are.
@ls1z28chris Where in the Bible did Jesus claim to be god? Where in the bible did Jesus ask to be Worshipped? Where did Jesus say I am god manifested in flesh? where did Jesus mention the original sin?? where did Jesus say I am the god the son? and god the word? where Jesus say I am the second god in trinity? ISLAM IS TRUE GOD RELIGION- What Do U Know About Islam??