“I’m not a “protestant”. I’m a saved believer in Jesus”?
“I’m not a “protestant”. I’m a saved believer in Jesus”?
As outrageously irrational as this R&S regulars posts can sometimes be, it has become increasingly common especially for “non-denominational” Christians to to lean toward this overly simplistic form of [re-formed]“Christianity”
It seems political correctness reigns supreme, in defining who is or isn’t a Christian. It is my understanding for example that JW’s (deny Christ’s divinity) and do not consider themselves a part of “Christendom” yet still are considered “Christian”. Mormon’s, I believe, also claim to be Christians and consider Jesus part of a “God-head” not actually “God”. I’m sure SDA adherents would also argue along with the former two groups that being a “Christian” encompasses significantly more core beliefs than “I have accepted Jesus into my heart”
Being a Catholic, I rationally point to the Nicene Creed as the core dogmatic principles of Orthodox Christianity, and recognize that historically it predates the canon, which both gain their authority from the same source.
For non-theists it must be more difficult to draw the line, than it is for me. Where do you draw the line? The Catholic Church teaches that there is salvation outside of it and we are to encourage a spirit of ecumenism with our separated Protestant brethren. The closer to Orthodoxy (ie;Anglican, CofE, Lutheran, Calvinists) the easier it for us to stay in agreement, but it seems the simplistic doctrinal “believer’s in Jesus” tend to bring along with them many “fringe beliefs” (ie; intelligent design, creation science.)
This question has been posted with the intention of offending no-one, including the famous user I’ve quoted.
Peace; DD
Edit; Thanks “serf” for catching by blunder.
(((Annie))) We may have some philisophical differences here, but I enjoyed your post.
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A church is only considered christian if it accepts honors and believes in the Nicean creed. Full stop.
If xianity is not a religion, shouldn’t we be collecting a pot-load of back taxers?
I only see one question aimed at non-theists. I don’t know what the general question is,
I believe there is no authority in the Orthodox Christian Church, the Catholic Church, or the Nicene Creed. The only authority I know is God. Mankind does not rate that kind of authority and never will. You, on the other hand, are welcome to accept whatever you wish as authority and/or truth. I can respect your choices and hope the same consideration is reciprocated.
doesn’t it just tweak you when someone trys to hang a name one you. it’s like wearing a camel hair shirt.
I am not sure what you are looking for in an answer on this, it is very unclear what you are asking, at least to me… I am a Child of God, plan and simple, I have NEVER been associated with a denominational tittle of any kind…. In fact I was baptized in my own home, in my bath tub, by a preacher of a Church of Christ, I believe , not sure about that even, but I do know it was an ordained preacher….. but, never the less, I AM baptized…. and the very reasons you bring up are the reasons I am NOT associated nor tittled as any thing else but what I refer to myself as , *Child of God*, I do NOT care what others think nor say about who I am in Christ…. Political out looks or thoughts nor ideas have any bearing on the fact of who I am… The simple fact is Jesus IS my Savior and there is NO OTHER !!! NO ONE has the authority over me but Christ !!! go in peace.. God bless
In Apocalypse there are seven Churches that represent Churches with different Faiths…(it seems clear if you read it).
Also are you talking about Salvation or Christian friendly?
Jesus has come to save the world(John 12, 47)
Here Jesus is saying it’s sufficient to believe He is God in order to be
saved even if one is not baptized with water (From John 12, 43…).
Water Baptism is the first pass for christian friendly…
So
Every christian who is sufficiently following Christ teachings is surely saved and has Jesus Christ friendly…
Obviously only Christ friendly can give us eternal life etc…
imo
a
all of humanity are the children of God, the Lord Jesus Christ is the Way and the Blessed Virgin is Mother to all.
b
Some of us are heading towards our eternal rest in the presence of the Creator and some of us are unwittingly wandering or have drifted off course.
c
the Lord did not die in vain nor will God’s Will for His children be thwarted.
as for david …he’s in for a surprise.
Peace
It actually is pretty simple, believers in Jesus as the Messiah are Christians. The Catholic church (or any church) can not grant salvation, that is from the grace of God alone.
The first Christians were not protestants, but saved believers in Jesus.
So, maybe they’re protesting those who protested the Catholic church in the first place a couple of hundred years ago. Who cares, but it is a sign of lack of understanding of history.
Question? WHat question? I see a rant.
In any case, I look to God for my salvation. Only through Jesus can you get to God (John 14:6), not through any particular church.
“Fringe beliefs”, huh? How is creationism a “fringe belief”? It is part of the faith. If you’re going going to rely on God and trust Him, then trust Him in everything. And since creation and NOT evolution is in the Bible, I will also trust in him when He says HE alone made it all.
My policy is, “Call ‘em all my brothers and sisters in Christ, and let God sort ‘em out.”
Seriously — if someone claims the Name of Christ, who am I to deny them their Christianity? Only God has the sovereign right to judge His creation, and anyone who tries to preempt God’s authority is guilty of the sin of presumption.
I made that comment a while ago. The phrase, ‘I’m a saved believer in Jesus” is a new trend non-denominational group.
It is a new group attempting to catch on the new generations, who do not believe in traditional protestantism and catholicism. As the pope said, the new apostacy [leaving the traditional churches] is here and for us to discern and identify.
Peace.
The word “Protestant” in itself makes a statement.
It’s clear the “Protest” part of the word is much more than symbolic…It is a genuine “Protest” against the Catholic Church.
This is a Protest against the Church Jesus founded. It is intentionally separating ones self from Her.
The poster that uses this slogan … is most certainly a Protestant; both by definition as well as action.
By denying …he’s lying.
Protesting the Catholic Church makes him a Protestant.
He should own up to his name…with the same pride as he takes in the hatred of Her [Catholic Church].
The rest of his statement:
“I’m a saved believer in Jesus”…is boast-full arrogance and with the presumption of God’s mind…One may only hope they are saved. I Hope I am…but only God knows for sure.
He’s a Protestant through and through. He can say whatever he wishes, but it won’t change the facts.
God Bless
“I’m not a Protestant, I’m a saved believer in Jesus”
Translation:
“I’m a Protestant”.
Please forgive my ignorance but I can’t help but wonder if many today are not looking for salvation in all the wrong places. I was reminded of this Scripture.
“And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple” (Matthew 24:1).
NOTE: As Jesus stood before His disciples they began to “shew him the buildings of the temple,” while they completely over looked the True Temple of God.
I am sure that many will disagree but the churches you have mentioned have tried very unsuccessfully to define and even organize God. I am not saying God isn’t at work in these churches but if you truly want to be a follower of Christ you have to let Him take the lead. You’ll not find Him in a temple made with hands. And please, I am not suggesting no church, as a matter of fact I can’t imagine a Christian not attending church.
PS> Dear Dogma: You might want to consider the Antibaptist…. or maybe not.
ANNIE: Amen!
Intelligent design and creation science are not fringe beliefs. While they may not be compulsory, they are pretty essential beliefs for all Christians. It is very difficult to explain how (as the Bible states) there was no death before Adam sinned if we accept millions of years of death and decay before humans arrived on the scene through so-called evolution.
Original sin and its effects are a core belief of the Catholic Church. I challenge anyone who is a Catholic to explain how they can reconcile millions of years of evolution, death, corruption, and entropy with the belief that all this was caused by original sin? St. Paul even comments on the entropy effect of sin, when he says the whole of Creation (the Universe) is groaning under its burden.
I do sympathise with your protest at the way some people seem to play fast and loose with the biblical mandate to publicly identify with the church, which is the world-wide association of Christians, who form the mystical body of Christ. Christ died for the church, such is his love for her! How could anybody dismiss being a card-carrying member of the church as of no consequence? Christ bestows the church with his gifts and he calls each one to bring their giftedness to their fellow believers, for their benefit and his glory.
I say that as a Calvinist. Yet all around me, in some Protestant circles, I hear many who profess to be Christians saying that one just has to decide to become a follower of Jesus, and that makes them a Christian! Oh really? You are entirely correct, that the Nicene Creed (and others, I would suggest, like the Westminster Confession of Faith) establish the vital role of the church in the lives of believers, and that we must be solidly identified with the church. But in this pick-and-mix age of do-it-yourself-spirituality, people seem to think they can bypass the deep doctrines of the faith and just go for an amorphous independence. This is not reformed religion. It’s religion without form.
I am little confused. The term “Protestant” loosely defines those religions that spun off from the Catholics Church as protesters of what the Church taught, Martin Luther, etc.
You say “Being a Catholic, I rationally point to the Nicene Creed as the core dogmatic principles of Orthodox Christianity, and recognize that historically it predates the canon, which both gain their authority from the same source.”
You “rationally” point to the Nicene Creed, from the Council of Nicaea, held by the pagan Roman Emperor Constantine where he merged “Christianity” with the pagan Roman religion based on the worship of the sun,
In what universe is that a rational statement and in exactly how is any legitimate “authority” granted and/or gained from that source?
There is no proof that the Bible is from God. The Catholic Religion is perhaps the worst example of a mutated, deformed and contrived belief system derived from a book of myths and cobbled together by a pagan Roman.
I want what your smokin’.
There is nothing in your post that resembles rationality.