Is the Westboro “Baptist” Church and Fred Phelps commiting a sin?


Is the Westboro “Baptist” Church and Fred Phelps commiting a sin?
I know they hate the homosexual which is a sin and that they judge them which is also a sin. Are there anymore sins they are commiting?

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Answer by kl
I haven’t had lunch with him lately, but so I can’t answer for all of his other sins, but I would say his main sin is literally taking the Lord’s name in vain — he twists the Lord’s Word to justify his own sickness and hatred.

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17 Responses to “Is the Westboro “Baptist” Church and Fred Phelps commiting a sin?”

  • Well, Hello there, Sunshine! says:

    I believe if anything they are doing that is sinful, it is that they are so full of wrath and hate.

  • AdoreHim says:

    Ok, I have answered these same questions over and over and again, and this is going to be the last time- GOD DOES NOT HATE THE HOMOSEXUAL- He hates sin. However He sent His son to die on the cross to forgive all sinners. What Westboro is doing is exactly what the Pharisees were doing when Jesus walked the earth- He would have said to them “you without sin, cast the first stone”- What they are planning to do at the funeral is not of God- no question here- I have an idea- let’s pray for these people – more will be done to change their hearts through prayer then debating.

  • BILL says:

    Not following God’s Word to begin with,as seen here:

    Matthew 22:39 (New International Version)
    New International Version (NIV)
    Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society

    39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[a]

  • corey_m_stevens says:

    I think Romans 2:1-6 says it best.

    THEREFORE you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
    But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.
    And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?
    Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?
    But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”

  • Kevin S says:

    I think they are an excellent example of the dangers of Fundamentalist Christianity.

    Even the milder fundies who disagree with the Phelpses can’t disagree that they share the same basic core values.

  • Robert R says:

    What they are doing is sin. They do seem to have a hateful attitude.

    But saying that homosexual conduct is sin is not wrong. The Bible says it and the church is commanded to reprove sin. We are to speak the truth in love, not hate. God desires the homosexual to repent of his sin.

    I will prove from the Bible says homosexual conduct is sin.

    There are some who are promoting the lie that Sodom wasn’t destroyed because of homosexual conduct They say it was destroyed for a lack of hospitality. But that premise does not hold up.

    What does this have to do with hospitality?
    Jude 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    I see fornication (sex not between a husband and wife) and strange flesh, but not hospitality. And God sid he set them forth as examples of what is to come.
    Let’s take a detailed look at the phrase “giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh.” It is from the Greek EKPORNUESASAI and APELTHOUSAI OPISO SARKOS HETERAS. The first is a combination of the Greek PORNEIA, which is derivation for our English word “pornography,” and the prefix “EK,” which means “out of.” The second phrase literally means “going after different flesh.” The operative word here is “different,” which is from the Greek HETERAS. In this context it refers to sexual relations that are “different” than normal sexual relations, i.e., homosexual relations.

    How about here?
    Ezekiel 16:
    48As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.
    49Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
    50And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

    We that the sodomites commited abomination. We will examine Leviticus 18:22 later, which states that homosexual conduct is an abomination. One should note that the judgement of Sodom and Gomorah occured before the giving of the Law to Moses. Therefore the judgement of homosexual conduct as an abomination can in no way be considered as mere ritual uncleaness, but can only be considered as morally reprehensible.

    A similar event occured in Judges 19:22-25 where the sons of Belial wanted homosexual sex (again the word is yada’). Gay sex was called wicked and vile. The same word “know” was used in this passage as in the Genesis passage below. “Know” in the context means to have sex with.

    Before the angels even went to Sodom, God said:
    Geneis 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

    Now, let’s look at Sodom when the angels arived in the city.
    .
    Gen 19
    4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

    5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

    Here the men are saying they want gay sex. Nothing about rape *yet.*

    6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

    7And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

    Lot said that their desire for gay sex was “wicked” Lot was a preacher of righteousness who was vexed by their behaviour(2 Peter 2:4-8)

    Now, the sodomites got mad when Lot preched to them that gay sex is “wicked” and thereated to hurt the preacher of righteousness, Lot. They said he had no right to judge them and he better stand aside or they would rape him and the men in his house (they didn’t know his guests were angels.)

    9And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

    So the sodomites got mad when preachers vexed with their sin said “I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly” back then too.

    Sorry, nothing there about hospitality, just gay sex that God’s preacher said is “wicked.”

    “Sodom” is used as a figure of sexual sin and is referred to as the place of divine judgment over two dozen times in Scripture (cf., Dt 29:23; 32:32; Is 1:9-10; 3:9; 13:19; Jr 23:14; 49:18; 50:40; Lm 4:6; Ez 16:46-56; Am 4:11; Zp 2:9; Mt 10:15; 11:23; Rm 9:29).

    We will look at one more passage about Sodom.
    2 Peter 2
    6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

    7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

    8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)

    The word translate “unlawful” is arsenokoite¯s ar-sen-ok-oy’-tace From G730 and G2845; a sodomite: – abuser of (that defile) self with mankind.

    So the overwhelming evidence is that the main sin for which Sodom was destroyed is homosexual conduct.

    ————————————–…

    Christians are not anti-gay, we are anti-sin. Just say no to sin. All sin is a matter of choice.

    There is a God and he says homosexual acts are sin.

    God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

    Both the Old and New Testament teach that homosexual conduct is an abomination to God. It is against his natural order of creation. In the Old Testament it was a death penalty sin. The Bible is very clear that those who do such things will not enter heaven.

    Leviticus 18
    22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
    25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

    26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:

    27(For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)

    28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.

    29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.

    30 Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.

    Any Christian who adopts a homosexual lifestyle will be “cut off from among their people. ” That is, he is subject to losing his salvation.

    Romans 1
    25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

    We see here that homosexual behavior is unnatural and that their affections are called vile, as we saw in the book of Judges. It should be noted that the word translated “unseemly” is to-ay-baw’, to-ay-baw’
    Feminine active participle of H8581; properly something disgusting (morally), that is, (as noun) an abhorrence; especially idolatry or (concretely) an idol: – abominable (custom, thing), abomination.

    So we see the apostle Paul called homosexual conduct an abomination, just as the Old Testament does.

    1 Cor 6
    9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    The word translated effiminate = homosexual.

    1Timothy 1
    8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
    9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
    10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

    Paul specifically describes the homosexuality with the Greek word, arsenokoites, a compound word taken from arsenos – male and koiten – intercourse. Together, the word means simply, “male intercourse.” In the context of both 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:10,11, it is clear Paul is referencing homosexual sex acts between two men.

    Even more striking is the reading of Leviticus 20:13 in the LXX, the Greek translation of the OT, the translation Paul would had most certainly been using during his ministry to the gentiles. The LXX has at Leviticus 20:13 the words, arsenos koiten. Paul is basically adapting the two words to make one word describing a behavior condemned by God that excludes the practitioner from the Kingdom of God and from which he or she must be redeemed.

    We also see that homosexual conduct is said to be contrary to sound doctrine. Therefore the doctrine of any Christian church has to be that homosexual conduct is sin.

    Jude
    7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    There are liberal preachers today preaching a lie and liberal “pastors” who are gay. Be not decieved. If they reject God’s word then reject them.

    Look at Sodom and Gommorah if you want more evidence of God’s opinion about homosexuality.

    1Ki 15:11 And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father.
    1Ki 15:12 And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

    We see that the good King Asa exiled homosexuals from Israel.

    1Ki 22:46 And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.
    The good king Jehosophat also exiled homosexuals. The ordinary penalty under the Old Covenant for homosexual conduct was death, bu as we see, mercy was sometimes shown, but their sin was not excused.
    —————————————————————————–
    Furthur reflections:
    1) Jesus confirmed the natural order of man and wife for sexuality and only acknowledged celibacy as the other alternative.

    Mat 19:
    3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
    4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
    5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

    Mat 19:
    10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
    11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

    2)Ephesians 5:21-33; Colossians 3:18-19; 1 Peter 3:1-7; 1 Corinthians 7 gives rules of conduct for Christian family life. No mention of homosexuality is found there.There are no discussions of wife-wife or husband-husband relationships.
    In this passage Paul also uses marriage as a picture of the relationship Christ has with his church.

    3) Some of the Corinthian Christians had been gay before becoming Christians. But they changed. Homosexuals can change. The Spirit of God can set them free of their unrighteous behaviour.
    1 Cor 6
    9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
    10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
    11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

  • Ms. Lady says:

    how they go about things is not of God.

  • w00tages says:

    Everyone sins. Want to share some of yours?

  • Cee T says:

    Yes. They are being unkind.

  • blogdog123 says:

    That man and his church gives all Christians a bad name.

    Jesus was all about love and respect. This man has NONE! FOR ANYONE!!

    The bible teaches AGAINST the way he is preaching.

    The guy is a whack job!

    True Christians DO NOT associate themselves with him and his preaching ways….

  • Suzanne L says:

    Fred Phelps IS a sin.
    It’s obvious he is a hypocrite and a lunatic, but what really pisses me off is that these bastards get TAX-EXEMPT STATUS to spread their hate!

  • Fernella13 says:

    Yes, of course they are hating thier neighbors, they are not showing compassion, they are lying that claiming that God would hurt US soldiers because of homosexality

  • Thrice Blessed says:

    Lying. They are lying about God. They say He hates homosexuals, but God says He loved the world so much He sent His Son. He didn’t say, “Everyone in the world except for…..”

    So while homosexuality is a sin, God does not hate the homosexual.

  • Amy m says:

    First a quick thing for Robert the long winded.If those at Sodom and gamorrah were gay how come Lot offered his two daughters to them?Do you think that offering your daughters to strangers for sex is good family values?Fred Phelps is a godless nut using the bible as a tool to advance his personal agenda and will roast like a chestnut.

  • Janamidala says:

    They certainly are not following the example of the early Christians. Jesus taught his followers “ However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU”. If we need to love and pray for our enemies, how much more so for ones who have done nothing at all to us, and need to hear God’s word! Certainly no one attending their loved one’s funeral is going to listen to any message delivered with hatred.

    When Jesus resurrected the poor widow’s son in Matthew 7:11-15, he did not deliberate over what sins the man may have committed in his life. He felt pity over the woman’s having lost her son.

    Jesus will bring into account people who use his name for their own purposes, even if they think they are doing him a favor. (Matthew 7:21-23)

  • spike_spiegel40 says:

    I don’t know, but I do know one thing; the WBC is very disrespectful. If someone ever came to one of my loved ones funerals and started protesting, I’d probably beat their ass to death.

  • Feivel says:

    I can’t even name all the sins they are commiting but even apart from sinning they are horrible evil ant-social hatemongering people.
    Fred Phelps hates gays with the same fervor that Hitler hated us Jews. It is sad and pathetic.

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