Was Lucifer, Satan? Who was he really?

Was Lucifer, Satan? Who was he really?
Who was the mighty angel who rebelled against god in heaven? Lucifer? Satan? Is Lucifer, Satan? Some say Lucifer was the name of the great angel, leader of the Seraphim, before he fell, and then became Satan after his fall….is this true? Other stories say Lucifer is just a mere word and term to describe the Morning star, an alternative name for the planet venus in the sky as it rises before the sun does, and was misread in the bible, but was actually meant to portray a babylonian king. We all know some angel fell from grace and was the first to sin, but which was it? Lucifer? Satan? Both? Other people suggest that Satan, though was not lucifer, as a name, but was ‘a’ lucifer, as a light bearer….im confused,lol. Was Lucifer an actual figure, or just a misinterpretation of a babylonian king, and Lucifer being confused with Satan? 99/100 times when you search for something ‘Lucifer’ on either google or in books, almost every source describes Lucifer as being the actual name of the great angel of light that fell from heaven due to his pride. Whats the deal here? lol.
@ san miguel- this isnt a meeting place for closed minded ignorant atheists to ash on the faithful, i was asking a simple question and youre leading away from it and trying to start something else….get a life you loser!
@ san miguel- please remind me where i stated i was christian and believed in the christian doctrine??? Ummmm, exactly, i didnt! I just find christian stories about angels, heaven, hell, demons and a war in heaven and so on so interesting. I will not ever accept the christian faith, i find it to be warped, corrupt and twisted, full of hypocrites and insane individuals bent on armageddon and pleasing god, naive enough to believe those salesmen of salvation who stand at the podium wearing that pretty little dress, only thinking about the money in there pockets and not there followers….now let me clear something up for you miguel, though i reject the christian faith that does not mean i reject god, you dont have to be christian, muslim, jewish, nor any other religion to believe in a god, i believe in the existence of a universal creator, an omnipresent force responsible for creating the universe and holding it together, i dont believe in the christian god, they pretty much portray him a

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Answer by big Mac
Probably all of the above.

Myths about peoples and places can vary greatly.

For a definite “what’s the actual answer?” Well, I can’t answer that.

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8 Responses to “Was Lucifer, Satan? Who was he really?”

  • Leo says:

    Satan’s real name is not known in the scriptures. He was a cherub as defined in the parallelism of Eze 28:12-19. in verse 14 it says – “14 You are the anointed cherub that is covering, and I have set you”

    Satan did walk with the truth before he rebelled against God.

    (John 8:44) YOU are from YOUR father the Devil, and YOU wish to do the desires of YOUR father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of [the lie].

    Notice the verse says he did not “stand fast” in the truth suggesting he was in the truth. Notice all the names that Satan is called in Rev 12:9

    (Revelation 12:9) So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

    Lucifer is only shown only in some translations. This is a mistranslation of the hebrew term ” Shining one” which was directed to the collective kingdom of Babylon.

    This “king,” that is, the dynasty of Babylon, ‘lifted himself up’ in his own heart and was in his own eyes and in the eyes of his admirers a “shining one,” a “son of the dawn.” (In some translations the Latin Vulgate term “Lucifer” is retained. It is, however, merely the translation of the Hebrew word heh‧lel′, “shining one.” Heh‧lel′ is not a name or a title but, rather, a term describing the boastful position taken by Babylon’s dynasty of kings of the line of Nebuchadnezzar.) (Isa 14:4-21) Since Babylon was a tool of Satan, its “king” reflected Satan’s own ambitious desire. Again, Jehovah came to the salvation of his people by restoring them to their land, until the real Seed of promise should come.—Ezr 1:1-6.

    @Melkha

    you said Angels have no free will. See the verse above ( John 8:44) where Jesus said that Satan did walk in the truth and then stopped. Angels DO have free will. And Notice Jude 6;
    (Jude 6) And the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.

    The scripture you quoted in Isa 45:7 refer to Jehovah bringing evil or calamity upon Adam for his disobedience. Hence, in the Scriptures, Jehovah is referred to as the Creator of evil or calamity. (Isa 45:7; compare KJ.) His enforcing of the penalty for sin, namely, death, has proved to be an evil, or a calamity, for mankind. So, then, evil is not always synonymous with wrongdoing. Examples of evils or calamities created by Jehovah are the Flood of Noah’s day and the Ten Plagues visited upon Egypt. But these evils were not wrongs. Rather, the rightful administration of justice against wrongdoers was involved in both cases.

    It has nothing to do with Jehovah creating Satan as Satan. There is no way God can create evil.

    (James 1:13) When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone.

  • Clay says:

    Lucifer was a mistranslation of the Vulgate Bible. The passage referring to “Lucifer” was a taunt to be taken up against the King of Babylon after his fall from the throne. It was never meant to refer to a great tempter, just a man with a big ego.

    (Note, I said MAN, not angel)

  • San Miguel says:

    It’s a tall story in a big book of fairy tales. That a couple of billion people actually believe Lucifer/Satan exists reveals the extent to which they refuse to use their intellects properly, preferring to wallow in willful ignorance and delusion.

    Andrew: The REAL loser is the one who believes that God transmogried his spiritual self into a flesh-and-blood version called Jesus through the miraculous, science-defying one-way birth canal of an underaged virgin, because it was the only way God knew how to save his human creations from the “original sin” which God cursed all of humanity with in the first place. That is the stupidity of Christian doctrine which you embrace. Stubborn, willful ignorance is the condition of a true loser.

  • Corey says:

    Lucifer comes from a mangled translation in the KJV of the Bible. The title was originally an honorific for a Babylonian prince, but after being mangled going from Hebrew to Greek (Septaguint) and then mangled into Latin (the Latin Vulgate) before finally being mangled into English, it ends up sounding like a angel/demon. That’s what happens when you play telephone over hundreds of years across a handful of languages with the “translators” each having an agenda.

  • Melkha says:

    Lucifer is referring to the king of Babylon read the whole chapter of Isaiah 14. Verse 4 says it is to the king of Babylon. the xtian bibles use lucifer in verse 12, but it is not in the original Hebrew. The Hebrew satan is any adversary including one’s own evil inclination.
    Angels have no free will and can not rebel any more than a hammer can.
    There is not rival god with an opposing kingdom. Yeshayahu- Isaiah – Chapter 45:7. Who forms light and creates darkness, Who makes peace and creates evil; I am the Lord, Who makes all these.

  • Goblyn Queen says:

    As mentioned, Lucifer in the Bible was a term used for a Babylonian king. The term came from the Lucifer, an old pagan Roman god. Lucifer was the personification of the planet Venus in the morning, as ancient people didn’t know Venus in the morning was the same as Venus in the evening. They thought it was two different planets.

  • Frank says:

    It depends if you are talking about the christian/catholic faith then i can help. Yes the fallen angel was lucifer and yes lucifer is satan. if you want more info on this then look for a catechism because they will tell you everthing about the faith exept for the scriptures those are in the bible =D oh fyi there might have been more than one being named lucifer throughout history. i didn’t look that up but its just a thought.

  • http://www.bible-reviews.com says:

    OK – I know the answer to this.

    “Lucifer” first appeared in association with Satan ONLY AFTER the book of Isaiah was translated into Latin. This is because the word “lucifer” is a Latin translation of the Hebrew or Greek word that means (euphemistically) “morning star” – and “lucifer” is the Latin term that meant “morning star” when the book of Isaiah was translated into Latin.

    So: before a Latin translation of the Bible became available, there WAS NO SUCH THING as “Lucifer = Satan”. In fact, “Lucifer” did not appear in ANY Bible until the Bible was translated into Latin.

    Once the Latin translation was available, Isaiah 14:12 – taken out of context! – matched the Christian view of Satan rather well
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isa%2014:12;%20luk%2010:18&multilayout=cols&version1=49&version2=9
    and so it became a standard Christian teaching that “Lucifer” was a name – not of the morning star, but of Satan.

    IF we read Isaiah 14 in context, it is *absolutely clear* that “morning star” in that chapter refers (derogatorily) to the ancient king of Babylon, and NOT to Satan who is NOT mentioned in that chapter or ANYwhere in the book of Isaiah.
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%2014&multilayout=cols&version1=49&version2=9

    However, *because* it is an ancient Christian tradition that Lucifer is another name of Satan, in most European languages (including English) the name “Lucifer” MEANS “Satan” in that language. In other words, even though the Bible (clearly) does NOT identify Satan as “Lucifer”, in most European languages “Lucifer” literally means “Satan”.

    As you can see from the above, there is simply NO WAY that the Latin translation of a Hebrew word that did not exist in print until Roman times could *possibly* be the *original* name of a supernatural being that existed and was written about centuries before Latin was a language!!! Simply: there is NO WAY that Satan’s so-called “original name” happens to be identical to a Latin translation of a Hebrew word!!!

    I first ran into the “Lucifer is the original name of Satan” here on Y!A, and I have NO idea where such a ridiculous teaching started. It is *obviously* a false teaching. I know that it is NOT a teaching of any of the “traditional” Christian sects (Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, etc.), and it could ONLY have been started by someone who does not realize that “lucifer” is a Latin translation of a Hebrew word.

    The teaching that “Lucifer” is another name for Satan is, as I have mentioned, an ancient Christian teaching, going back at least to the 5th century C.E. However, that teaching does NOT include the idea that “Lucifer” was Satan’s “original” name!

    – Jim, http://www.bible-reviews.com/topics_accuracy_words_lucifer.html

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