What to say bout the “Hawks” During the Vietnam War?
Answer by gugliamo00
It’s kind of a misnomer.
Some wanted to throw in the towel… not fight… wimp out… they called theselves “doves.” But, having talked with a few, it wasn’t really about peace… at least not for a lot of them… it was that they were too scared to join the military. It was easier to protest the war, and therefore the need for the draft, than to admit their cowardice.
There were a lot of people who, though they didn’t like the war, realized the need to win one after Korea. You see, in Korea, the politicians and diplomats, in their infinite stupidity, gave North Korea back everything they had lost. There were some who loved their country and wanted to see it on top again. They weren’t particularly enthused about war in general, or even the Vietnam war in particular. But the were smart enough to realize that we were there, and that pulling out without a military victory would make the US a laughingstock. These the self-proclaimed “doves” called “hawks.” Those same politicians and diplomats that gave us the Korean fiasco listened to what we were told was a “vocal minority,” and pulled the military out again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
And each time, after Korea, and after Vietnam, those politicians and diplomats blamed what seemed military defeats on the military. And the “doves” did their little victory dance on the graves of the fallen and said, “We told you so.” To punish the military for “losing,” the politicians cut their budges and closed their bases. And,when the next conflict arose, they blamed the military for being undermanned, under-equipped, and under-trained.
The “doves” did it to the military again after Desert Storm. And they’re close to doing yet again in Iraq. And, with the media attention on Afghanistan, I suspect they’ll do it again with OEF. “Dove” aren’t too bright. They can’t learn.
“Pacifists are among the most immoral of men – they make no distinction between aggression and defense. Therefore, pacifism is one of the greatest allies an aggressor can have.” (Patrick Henry)
”History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.” (Dwight D. Eisenhower)
“Those who turn their swords into ploughshares, will till the soil for those who have not.” (attributed to Benjamin Franklin) .
“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.” (George Orwell)
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing that is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” (John Stewart Mill)
“These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.” (Thomas Paine)
“Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” (George Santayana)
The so-called “doves” seem incapable of learning from history. During the Vietnam war they posed an inane question. “What if they had a war and nobody came?” They’re deluded. Somebody would show up… the undisputed winner. The enemy doesn’t care about “nice guys.” They look on that, not as a good thing, but as a weakness to be exploited. And they exploit it with a vengeance.
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