Why did the Protestants take out seven books from the Holy Bible?

A question from a reader: During the Protestant revolt in the 16th century, the Protestants removed seven books.

Book of Tobias
Book of Judith
Book of Wisdom
Ecclesiasticus
Prophecy of Baruch
First Book of Machabees
Second Book of Machabees

Why did the Protestants remove these books from the Holy Bible?

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30 Responses to “Why did the Protestants take out seven books from the Holy Bible?”

  • Freak Of Nurture says:

    ‘Cause they didn’t like ‘em. Pretty simple.

  • James Bond says:

    not just protestants . . . .

  • Newly dead says:

    Couldnt let people get too smart or they’d leave

  • llanolyn says:

    These books were removed because the contested the new doctrines of the Reformers, like Martin Luther.

  • PatrickW says:

    There was a consensus that they were either not inspired, nor meant to be in the canon. It is not just those books though. There are also the books in the Pseudopigrapha (sp?). And to be honest, it is not just those that were considered. James was almost not considered, and a few others. Those were not rejected in the 16th century, there were many who did not accept the apocraphal books as canonical very early on.

  • potato says:

    Actually those were removed by the Catholics first, and then added back in by the Catholics.
    It is a bit confusing..
    They are called the Apocrypha.
    If you read them you will see why they are not considered to be scripture.

  • Ben Yeshua says:

    Just because they were included in the Greek Septuigent does not make them inspired.

    The book of Judith is fiction,

    Baruch was a secretary, not a prophet,

    Both machabees are just history,

    Wisdom wasn’t written by Solomon,

    And the Jews don’t have them in their Scripture either.

    However, just because you have them, does that make the Catholic and Anglican Bible better?

    I don’t think so.

    The Apocrypha was included in the King James Bible from its inception (1611) through 1884. Although the Apocrypha was embraced by many Christians for centuries prior to the Reformation and to a lesser degree thereafter, the Reformed Church, Calvinists and the Church of England (in the 16th and 17th centuries) officially labeled the Apocrypha as non-canonical (the Reformed Church went so far as to condemn the Apocrypha). Despite earlier acceptance by some Christians (especially Roman Catholics), the books of the Apocrypha have always been questionable because of uncertainties regarding authorship and authenticity.

    Finally, in 1880 the American Bible Society voted to remove the “Apocrypha” Books from the King James Version. Today, no English Protestant Bibles include the Apocrypha, with the exception of some academic editions of Bibles, which include the extra books for historical purposes.

    Ben Yeshua

  • Marley<3 says:

    because they wanted reform the church

  • paula r says:

    Actually, the catholics brag about “what” went into the Bible! That they wrote it! So, they took them out, not us from my understanding.They cannot have it both ways.Besides, the Apocrapha, which is what you are referring to, is NOT part of the inspired Word Of God. That was determined many moons ago.You don’t find it odd all but a few mainstrem religions leave it out? If not only the catholics.I see a clear message there.

  • Susanna says:

    why did catholics change God’s Holy Sabbath?
    why did catholics corrupt and change God’s Holy Word and Law?
    why did catholics take authority away from God to hear and forgive sin? then throw in a lil extra for pennance with a ritualistic rosary?
    why do catholics REFUSE to obey and please God?
    why did catholics MURDER Protestants and anyone else who disagreed with their corruptions, man made traditions
    why do catholics pray to and through the DEAD?
    Why do catholics REFUSE to Seek the Truth as God Commands ALL to do or be decieved?….I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on……….God Bless

  • Kashikoi says:

    Because Martin Luther needed to advance his agenda.

  • Jury says:

    Just to give the Mormon spin on the Apocrypha, it is addressed in our book “Doctrine and Covenants” in a very short paragraph. Basically it states there are truths and non truths, if you want to read it, keep an open mind….. For my self I have read some of them and I took it as entertainment but not anything worthy of translating and taken serious.

  • The Dark Side says:

    Because they aren’t in the original Hebrew version of the old testament, only in the Greek translation (the Septuagint) and there had always been some degree of disagreement over them. This also goes for parts of Daniel and Esther, which is why those two books are shorter in protestant bibles.

    You could equally well ask why some books are left out of catholic bibles. The Greek Orthodox bible includes 1 Esdras, 3 Maccabees, 4 Maccabees and Odes, while the Slavonic bible includes 2 Esdras, and the Ethiopian Orthodox bible includes Jubilees, Enoch, 4 Baruch and three books of Meqabyan.

    The anglican church (episcopalian to Americans) falls somewhere in the middle – it uses the catholic bible but does not accept that the books omitted by other protestants are inspired scripture.

  • Barney says:

    These are apocrapha and have no claim to being in the Bible canon.

  • JMR says:

    They were following the Jews.

    About 90-95 A.D., or several decades after the beginning of Christianity, the Jews called a council to deal with the matter. In this council, called the “Council of Jamnia*”, Jewish Pharisees, who survived the devastating destruction of Jerusalem and of their temple in 70 A.D., decided to remove books that were helpful to Christians. They removed the seven books, using various reasons as their “authorization” to do so. Keep in mind, that the Greek speaking Jews had been using the Septuagint for well over two centuries by this time. It was the Bible of the Greek speaking “Bereans” of Acts 17:10-15 for which Protestants like to quote to try to “prove” their false man-made doctrine of “Sola Scriptura”.
    Some non-Catholics charge that the seven books were not added to the Septuagint until the fourth century. If that were true, how could the Council of Jamnia have removed them in the first century if they were not there?
    By the actions of Protestant reformers in acceptance of the 39 book Old Testament, which was declared the whole of Scripture by the Jewish Pharisees at Jamnia, the Protestants have made it tantamount to approval of the Pharisaic Jews who rejected Jesus and persecuted the Church. In doing so they have shown that they believed that the Jews had more authority in deciding the Canon of Scripture than did the Christian Church that Jesus Christ founded, which by the time of the Council of Jamnia, had existed for about 60 years. A rejection of the authority of Christ’s Church, then as well as now, is a rejection of Him.

    The Council of Trent 1546-1565, the longest lasting Council in Church history.

    AD 1546:
    The Catholic Council of Trent, called to counter changes made by Martin Luther, again reaffirmed the canonicity of all 46 books of the Old Testament. Some Protestant reformers who attended, tried to get the Church to accept the list of books which the Jewish rabbis had chosen at Jamnia.
    The Church refused and upheld her teaching from Pope Damasus I, and the Council of Florence. As a result, Protestants have the same New Testament books as Catholics, but their Old Testament differs because it does not contain the books rejected by the rabbis at Jamnia, and much later, rejected by Martin Luther.
    It is interesting that for 1500 years all Christians accepted the same canon for the Old Testament. Only in the last 480 years, since the reformation, has there been disagreement from Protestants.

    @Susanna Christians no longer worship on Saturday But on Sunday since our Lord rose from the dead on a Sunday (John 20:1, Luke 24:1on the First day of the week), thus from then onwards Sunday became the day of Public worship for the apostles as we read in 1Corinthians 16:2 ” On the First day of the week (Sunday) (in Hebrew yom rishon) every one of you must put aside what he can afford, so that collections need not be made after I have come.”

    Sunday replaces the Sabbath as it was from hence forth especially consecrated to God by the community’s worship. At times Christians celebrated their Mass in each others homes (Acts 2:42-46). We Further read that the first day of the week is the day of worship of the early Christian Community in the following : Acts 20:7 “On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the morrow; and he prolonged his speech until midnight.” Here we see the two basic elements of Sunday worship which have been followed by the Church to this day: 1) the breaking of bread, which designates the celebration of the Lord’s Supper (Catholics call it the Mass); and 2) the sermon. Furthermore elsewhere St. Paul told the Corinthians to contribute money to the Church each Sunday (1 Cor 16:1-2). This would be a strange request, if Christians assembled on Saturdays.

    You need to try to comprehend what it is you are reading from the Scriptures and use a little bit of common sense, unless you are really apart of Judaism and are following the Old Covenant. If that is the case then you shouldn’t even be reading the New Testament.

  • robert C says:

    they were originally rejected by the palestinian jews in 190 a.d.
    it was known as the muratorian canon, because they said that the 6 books had no original hebrew content, however in the dead sea scrolls traces of tobit, judith and sirach have been found in the hebrew.
    martin luther rejected them again, and was about to reject Revelation, jude and james. but the german princes protested, and that’s where the word protestant originated

  • zeebus says:

    “He who hears you hears me, and my father that sent me.”

    Basically, the Catholic Church put the Bible together. Anyone tinkering with it (i.e. removing books because it teaches something they don’t like) is essentially turning a deaf ear towards God.

    FYI – the books removed from the old testament were the same books Jesus read from…if they were “wrong”, don’t you think Jesus would have said something?

    Not trying to be a jerk, just telling the truth.

  • Prayer2010Warrior says:

    I believe thats our problem, we always tend to look at religion rather than having a personal relationship with our savior and lord jesus christ. If we were just to seek god and leave everything else behind then dont you people believe that god will give you all understanding and knowledge. The bible says not to judge or you will be judged, so therefor everytime we put our mouth on someone else then we are setting our self up to be judged. There is no such thing as a perfect church i seen this for myself in revelations. There are bigger things going on in this world and we the people of god would rather go back and forth about whos religion is better or worse, i think that alone is ridiculous. Im a christian and if i meet a muslim i would still have to love them because that is what the bible says to do regardless of the fact that we dont believe in the same thing. We really need to first examine ourselves b4 we go mouthing off on someone else because the bottom line here is that no man can hide from the eyes of GOD so who are we fooling surely not god.

  • koko says:

    In our debates abd arguements on which books are canonical and which are not, let us not forget the eternal values of their sacred contents. What does the Lord your God require of you? Fear the Lord and live rightly. Do you belive in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour as taught in the sacred pages of these books which we so contest to preserve? Is your name written in the eternal book of life? It is not about being a catholic or a protestant, it is about YOU and CHRIST. Remember, my dear men amd women, JESUS IS COMING SOON, may be SOONER than what you and i can imagine, Big question is …. ARE YOU READY TO MEET HIM? For what shall it profit us if after all these fights and debates, taking sides with what we feel is good and right, on the day of God’s judgement we loose our souls? Think about this.

  • kyle says:

    sorry, the protestants that have replie hear need to do a little more history especially referring to apocrypha, the books of the apocrypha refer to books rejected by the council of Hippo, however understood to be important historical value were not included due to some having slight heretical tendencies. the protestants decided in the 16th century that the seven books in the present day king james were NOT INSPIRED so i guess if i wanted to start a church today i can just take out from the bible from which i dont choose to accept right?

  • Jesse Duran says:

    Susanna-”why did catholics change God’s Holy Sabbath?
    why did catholics corrupt and change God’s Holy Word and Law?
    why did catholics take authority away from God to hear and forgive sin? then throw in a lil extra for pennance with a ritualistic rosary?
    why do catholics REFUSE to obey and please God?
    why did catholics MURDER Protestants and anyone else who disagreed with their corruptions, man made traditions
    why do catholics pray to and through the DEAD?
    Why do catholics REFUSE to Seek the Truth as God Commands ALL to do or be decieved?”

    Me-”Susanna, Many people simply can’t make it to church on Sunday so the church felt it highly important to have mass more times during the week (do you really think God would be mad because of that). Do you really think that worshiping God on a Saturday or Wednesday would make God mad? Of course it would not, you should worship God and keep him in your mind every day of the week. Some people have to work on Sunday, so they simply come to mass on Saturday. Keep in mind that Sunday is still a day of rest for Catholics (we are Christians).
    Catholics did no such thing as to change Gods Holy word or law( we simply put the Apocrypha books back into the Holy bible where they belong), they shouldn’t have been taken out in the first place.
    Catholics don’t take authority away from God to hear and forgive sins, You simply tell the priest your sins,(which he can tell no-one),and he asks God to forgive them,(You are still literally asking God to forgive your sins)NOTE: it is still important to ask god regularly(daily) to forgive you on your own, but I’ll tell you right now that when you go to Confession you feel a lot more humiliated and sorry for your sins than when you confess on your own.That is the point for Confession anyways.
    The Rosary simply asks God to forgive us and for Mary(the mother of god) to pray for us sinners that we may be able to make it to heaven, (we pray the rosary to truly tell God that we are sorry for our sins)…we go an extra mile. The rosary simply is not a ritual, it is a prayer to God to tell him we are sorry for hurting him with our evil sins.There is nothing at all that is wrong with praying the Rosary.
    Catholics don’t refuse to obey and please God. We obey God as much as any Christian does and we try to please him like any Christian does. A lot of sacred tradition is “to” obey and please God, (like drinking the bread and the wine), it tells God that we remember his last supper and the words that he spoke. He gave the bread and wine to his disciples and said it was his body and blood.
    The horrible things that Catholics did in the past are (by every Catholic today) frowned upon. How should I know why they did such horrific things, I don’t know why you would ask. It was the choices of the past Catholics that chose to do such things, (not our choice).It was the work of mankind that did those things, not the church as a whole. Please realize that the pope is not the church, so the sins of the Pope has nothing to do with the church.(It was the Pope that ordered the deaths of many), and of-course the pope is human and sins,(but that particular pope was a “really” bad sinner).
    Catholics only pray to the angels and saints to pray for us to the Lord our God, so we don’t technically pray to them, we ask them to pray for us.
    Catholics search the truth(the bible) and we believe in the bible for it is, like every Christian, our faith. Many say it is wrong that Catholics have images of the Saints and Mary, but notice that in the bible it says God hates “graven images”. Graven images are images that you worship and Catholics do not worship any images, we worship God alone (father,son,holy spirit). In the bible God gets angry when you make carved images that you think are more important than him.So what Protestants are saying is that you are allowed to have an image on your wall of your family, but it is “a sin” to hang up an image of Jesus or any of the saints that came in Gods name and did good deeds in his name. You may think we are confused but it looks like it’s the other way around.
    Thanks for your time;
    -Jesse Duran

  • Ralph says:

    The Old Testament Canon

    During the Reformation, primarily for doctrinal reasons, Protestants removed seven books from the Old Testament: 1 and 2 Maccabees, Sirach, Wisdom, Baruch, Tobit, and Judith, and parts of two others, Daniel and Esther. They did so even though these books had been regarded as canonical since the beginning of Church history.

    As Protestant church historian J. N. D. Kelly writes, “It should be observed that the Old Testament thus admitted as authoritative in the Church was somewhat bulkier and more comprehensive [than the Protestant Bible]. . . . It always included, though with varying degrees of recognition, the so-called apocrypha or deuterocanonical books” (Early Christian Doctrines, 53), which are rejected by Protestants.

    Below we give patristic quotations from each of the deuterocanonical books. Notice how the Fathers quoted these books along with the protocanonicals. The deuterocanonicals are those books of the Old Testament that were included in the Bible even though there had been some discussion about whether they should be.

    Also included are the earliest official lists of the canon. For the sake of brevity these are not given in full. When the lists of the canon cited here are given in full, they include all the books and only the books found in the modern Catholic Bible.

    When examining the question of what books were originally included in the Old Testament canon, it is important to note that some of the books of the Bible have been known by more than one name. Sirach is also known as Ecclesiasticus, 1 and 2 Chronicles as 1 and 2 Paralipomenon, Ezra and Nehemiah as 1 and 2 Esdras, and 1 and 2 Samuel with 1 and 2 Kings as 1, 2, 3, and 4 Kings—that is, 1 and 2 Samuel are named 1 and 2 Kings, and 1 and 2 Kings are named 3 and 4 Kings. The history and use of these designations is explained more fully in Scripture reference works.

    The Didache

    “You shall not waver with regard to your decisions [Sir. 1:28]. Do not be someone who stretches out his hands to receive but withdraws them when it comes to giving [Sir. 4:31]” (Didache 4:5 [A.D. 70]).

    The Letter of Barnabas

    “Since, therefore, [Christ] was about to be manifested and to suffer in the flesh, his suffering was foreshown. For the prophet speaks against evil, ‘Woe to their soul, because they have counseled an evil counsel against themselves’ [Is. 3:9], saying, ‘Let us bind the righteous man because he is displeasing to us’ [Wis. 2:12.]” (Letter of Barnabas 6:7 [A.D. 74]).

    Clement of Rome

    “By the word of his might [God] established all things, and by his word he can overthrow them. ‘Who shall say to him, “What have you done?” or who shall resist the power of his strength?’ [Wis. 12:12]” (Letter to the Corinthians 27:5 [ca. A.D. 80]).

    Polycarp of Smyrna

    “Stand fast, therefore, in these things, and follow the example of the Lord, being firm and unchangeable in the faith, loving the brotherhood [1 Pet. 2:17].
    . . . When you can do good, defer it not, because ‘alms delivers from death’ [Tob. 4:10, 12:9]. Be all of you subject to one another [1 Pet. 5:5], having your conduct blameless among the Gentiles [1 Pet. 2:12], and the Lord may not be b.asphemed through you. But woe to him by whom the name of the Lord is b.asphemed [Is. 52:5]!” (Letter to the Philadelphians 10 [A.D. 135]).

    Irenaeus

    “Those . . . who are believed to be presbyters by many, but serve their own lusts and do not place the fear of God supreme in their hearts, but conduct themselves with contempt toward others and are puffed up with the pride of holding the chief seat [Matt. 23:6] and work evil deeds in secret, saying ‘No man sees us,’ shall be convicted by the Word, who does not judge after outward appearance, nor looks upon the countenance, but the heart; and they shall hear those words to be found in Daniel the prophet: ‘O you seed of Canaan and not of Judah, beauty has deceived you and lust perverted your heart’ [Dan. 13:56]. You that have grown old in wicked days, now your sins which you have committed before have come to light, for you have pronounced false judgments and have been accustomed to condemn the innocent and to let the guilty go free, although the Lord says, ‘You shall not slay the innocent and the righteous’ [Dan. 13:52, citing Ex. 23:7]” (Against Heresies 4:26:3 [A.D. 189]; Daniel 13 is not in the Protestant Bible).

    “Jeremiah the prophet has pointed out that as many believers as God has prepared for this purpose, to multiply those left on the earth, should both be under the rule of the saints and to minister to this [new] Jerusalem and that [his] kingdom shall be in it, saying, ‘Look around Jerusalem toward the east and behold the joy which comes to you from God himself. Behold, your sons whom you have sent forth shall come: They shall come in a band from the east to the west. . . . God shall go before with you in the light of his splendor, with the mercy and righteousness which proceed from him’ [Bar. 4:36—5:9]” (ibid., 5:35:1; Baruch was often considered part of Jeremiah, as it is here).

    Hippolytus

    “What is narrated here [in the story of Susannah] happened at a later time, although it is placed at the front of the book [of Daniel], for it was a custom with the writers to narrate many things in an inverted order in their writings. . . . [W]e ought to give heed, beloved, fearing lest anyone be overtaken in any transgression and risk the loss of his soul, knowing as we do that God is the judge of all and the Word himself is the eye which nothing that is done in the world escapes. Therefore, always watchful in heart and pure in life, let us imitate Susannah” (Commentary on Daniel [A.D. 204]; the story of Susannah [Dan. 13] is not in the Protestant Bible).

    Cyprian of Carthage

    “In Genesis [it says], ‘And God tested Abraham and said to him, “Take your only son whom you love, Isaac, and go to the high land and offer him there as a burnt offering . . .”’ [Gen. 22:1–2]. . . . Of this same thing in the Wisdom of Solomon [it says], ‘Although in the sight of men they suffered torments, their hope is full of immortality . . .’ [Wis. 3:4]. Of this same thing in the Maccabees [it says], ‘Was not Abraham found faithful when tested, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness’ [1 Macc. 2:52; see Jas. 2:21–23]” (Treatises 7:3:15 [A.D. 248]).

    “So Daniel, too, when he was required to worship the idol Bel, which the people and the king then worshipped, in asserting the honor of his God, broke forth with full faith and freedom, saying, ‘I worship nothing but the Lord my God, who created the heaven and the earth’ [Dan. 14:5]” (Letters 55:5 [A.D. 253]; Daniel 14 is not in the Protestant Bible).

    Council of Rome

    “Now indeed we must treat of the divine scriptures, what the universal Catholic Church accepts and what she ought to shun. The order of the Old Testament begins here: Genesis, one book; Exodus, one book; Leviticus, one book; Numbers, one book; Deuteronomy, one book; Joshua [Son of] Nave, one book; Judges, one book; Ruth, one book; Kings, four books [that is, 1 and 2 Samuel and 1 and 2 Kings]; Paralipomenon [Chronicles], two books; Psalms, one book; Solomon, three books: Proverbs, one book, Ecclesiastes, one book, [and] Canticle of Canticles [Song of Songs], one book; likewise Wisdom, one book; Ecclesiasticus [Sirach], one book . . . . Likewise the order of the historical [books]: Job, one book; Tobit, one book; Esdras, two books [Ezra and Nehemiah]; Esther, one book; Judith, one book; Maccabees, two books” (Decree of Pope Damasus [A.D. 382]).

    Council of Hippo

    “[It has been decided] that besides the canonical scriptures nothing be read in church under the name of divine Scripture. But the canonical scriptures are
    as follows: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua the Son of Nun, Judges, Ruth, the Kings, four books, the Chronicles, two books, Job, the Psalter, the five books of Solomon [Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, Wisdom, and a portion of the Psalms], the twelve books of the prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel, Tobit, Judith, Esther, Ezra, two books, Maccabees, two books . . .” (Canon 36 [A.D. 393]).

    Council of Carthage III

    “[It has been decided] that nothing except the canonical scriptures should be read in the Church under the name of the divine scriptures. But the canonical scriptures are: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, four books of Kings, Paralipomenon, two books, Job, the Psalter of David, five books of Solomon, twelve books of the prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel, Tobit, Judith, Esther, two books of Esdras, two books of the Maccabees . . .” (Canon 47 [A.D. 397]).

    Augustine

    “The whole canon of the scriptures, however, in which we say that consideration is to be applied, is contained in these books: the five of Moses . . . and one book of Joshua [Son of] Nave, one of Judges; one little book which is called Ruth . . . then the four of Kingdoms, and the two of Paralipomenon . . . . [T]here are also others too, of a different order . . . such as Job and Tobit and Esther and Judith and the two books of Maccabees, and the two of Esdras . . . . Then there are the prophets, in which there is one book of the Psalms of David, and three of Solomon. . . . But as to those two books, one of which is entitled Wisdom and the other of which is entitled Ecclesiasticus and which are called ‘of Solomon’ because of a certain similarity to his books, it is held most certainly that they were written by Jesus Sirach. They must, however, be accounted among the prophetic books, because of the authority which is deservedly accredited to them” (Christian Instruction 2:8:13 [A.D. 397]).

    “We read in the books of the Maccabees [2 Macc. 12:43] that sacrifice was offered for the dead. But even if it were found nowhere in the Old Testament writings, the authority of the Catholic Church which is clear on this point is of no small weight, where in the prayers of the priest poured forth to the Lord God at his altar the commendation of the dead has its place” (The Care to be Had for the Dead 1:3 [A.D. 421]).

    The Apostolic Constitutions

    “Now women also prophesied. Of old, Miriam the sister of Moses and Aaron [Ex. 15:20], and after her, Deborah [Judges. 4:4], and after these Huldah [2 Kgs. 22:14] and Judith [Judith 8], the former under Josiah and the latter under Darius” (Apostolic Constitutions 8:2 [A.D. 400]).

    Jerome

    “What sin have I committed if I follow the judgment of the churches? But he who brings charges against me for relating [in my preface to the book of Daniel] the objections that the Hebrews are wont to raise against the story of Susannah [Dan. 13], the Song of the Three Children [Dan. 3:29–68, RSV-CE], and the story of Bel and the Dragon [Dan. 14], which are not found in the Hebrew volume, proves that he is just a foolish sycophant. I was not relating my own personal views, but rather the remarks that they are wont to make against us. If I did not reply to their views in my preface, in the interest of brevity, lest it seem that I was composing not a preface, but a book, I believe I added promptly the remark, for I said, ‘This is not the time to discuss such matters’” (Against Rufinius 11:33 [A.D. 401]).

    Pope Innocent I

    “A brief addition shows what books really are received in the canon. These are the things of which you desired to be informed verbally: of Moses, five books, that is, of Genesis, of Exodus, of Leviticus, of Numbers, of Deuteronomy, and Joshua, of Judges, one book, of Kings, four books, and also Ruth, of the prophets, sixteen books, of Solomon, five books, the Psalms. Likewise of the histories, Job, one book, of Tobit, one book, Esther, one, Judith, one, of the Maccabees, two, of Esdras, two, Paralipomenon, two books . . .” (Letters 7 [A.D. 408]).

  • Ben K says:

    @Susanna Catholics didn’t take away authority from God about forgiving sins. Jesus tells us in the Bible to confess our sins to our brothers, this is what the process of Confession is about in the Catholic Church. The moment we are truly repentant of our sins, they are forgiven by God. People still worry though that they will not be forgiven (because that’s what people do), so when the priest tells them that they have been forgiven, it’s relaying what should already be known. The penance is meant to be a way to get a person to work on becoming God centered after having been victim to sin, to help them to not do that sin again. The priest being there is also to be there as a counsel for the person to help deal with the emotional aspects of having sinned, just as a protestant would go to their pastor seeking help or advice.

    And in regards to praying to and for the dead. God is the Lord of the living and the dead. Prayers to the dead are prayers asking them to pray for us, just as you would ask a (living) friend to pray for you as well. And prayer for the dead is prayer for those who may reside in purgatory. Purgatory isn’t explicitly stated in the Bible, but neither is the word Trinity, however, there are passages that may suggest such a place where people go who are destined for heaven, but are yet still not clean enough to enter heaven. For it is stated in Revelation that only the clean and pure can enter heaven.

    Catholics do not change God’s Word or Law. Most Catholic beliefs are backed up in the Bible in what Jesus told the apostles to do. The rest are done because they are seen as being respectful.

  • These books contained contradictory doctrines like purgatory which come from the book of Macabees. In the Gospel of Thomas, it falsely states that Jesus’ resurrection was spiritual only – not bodily. Jesus’ resurrection was physical because Thomas touched him but it was also a glorified body. The Gospel of Judas is another clever fogery.

  • Bill says:

    The Protestants removed them because they didn’t help their agenda. Jesus created the Catholic church. Read Matthew 16:18. Peter was appointed the first Pope of Jesus’ church. What the Protestants have done is no different than what Mormons or Jehova’s Witnesses have done. It’s just like playing a game and trying to change the rules because you think you can make the game more fun. Wake up, people! Christianity was not about making you feel good. It was not intended for you to carry bibles to church that you rarely open. It was not created so you can drink lattes at your mega churches. Worship is not meant to be fun. It’s about worshipping God, not making yourself feel good. In my opinion, the Council of Nicea put everything in writing that Jesus established in the first place. I’m not judging Protestants…just saying they changed the rules 1500 years later.

  • Cheryl says:

    It was not just any Protestants, it was the Catholics who deleted books from the Holy Bible. Typical of them in those days! In one word I’d say because of ignorance.

  • Cheryl says:

    I hope that is not supposed to be me in that picture because last time I checked, I was an attractive woman!

  • jay says:

    These books were not consider to be inspired scriptures before the Catholic Church added them in 1546, they were later removed because they are considered to be the uninspired writings of men and not God.

  • Albert Nygren says:

    The cannon of the Bible was decided at the Counsel of Nicea somewhre in the 300′s. To say that the Catholics decided what books would be in the Bible implies that there were Protestants at that time and the Catholics didn’t allow them input but there were no Protestants at that time so that is ridiculous.

    The first followers of Jesus after His resurrection and Ascension,(read this in Acts)called their group, “The Way” and continued to be Jewish. Somewhere about 90AD Jesus followers started to call themselves Christians (this is in the book of Acts also) Sometime later, Paul had started several churchs in several parts of the Roman Empire and the Christians started calling themselves “Catholic Christians” (Catholic means Universal) so that everyone would clearly know that although there were many church buildings that there was really only one Church.

    Yes, the Jewish rabbis took seven books out of their Scriptures and Church History says that was because they were in Greek and some Rabbis believed that if God had inspired them He would have inspired them to be written in Hebrew. In the 300′s at the Counsel of Nicea The Christian leaders (There was only One Church at that time. To say that the Catholics decided what books went into the Bible again implies that there were Protestants there at that time but the rotten Catholics kept them out of the room).

    The Christian leaders decided to put those books in the Bible because Jesus never said there were errors in those books and at times quoted them to prove a point. The Protestants took those 7 books out of the Bible when they left the Catholic Christian Church and started their own church. I don’t know why they took those books out but I do know that Martin Luthur wanted to take out the books of James and Revelation but was out voted by the other Protestant leader and that Luther wanted them out because they refuted his doctrin of Faith alon without works.

    I am a Bible Believing Christian and it seems to me that Luther had a backwards approach. If the truth doesn’t agree with your doctrine, you don’t take the Truth out of the Bible, you should change your doctrine to agree with the truth. James explains the truth of the matter but He doesn’t explain that the conflict was due to people not understanding Greek well enough. The issue in todays Church is similar but it is because the Greek words “pistis” and “pistuo” which are translated into English as “faith” and “believe” don’t really mean the same thing as the English words.

    The Greek word pistue means to believe something so strongly that you will do your utmost to have your speech and actions agree with what you believe. Pistis is another form of pistuo and it means that a person believes something so strongly that they are unable to speak or act in opposition to what they pistuo.

    So, the fact of the matter is that if you have pistis, you will also have actions or works. They translate James to say that, “Faith without works is dead”. I submit that a better translation would be that if you say you have pistis and have no works, then you don’t really have pistis! I don’t know why they translated what James said in such a clumsy manner so that he is hard to understand, maybe he didn’t write well, but the truth is that there should be no conflict between faith and works because they are the 2 sides of the same coin.

    Unfortunately (actually it is probably Satan’s doing) that there seem to be such animosity between protestants and Catholic Christians in these comments and in the world. Most of the things Protestants say the Catholics do is not part of Catholic official teachings or Catholics do do, but Protestants don’t understand. I was a Protestant until I was 27 y/o when Jesus called me into the Catholic Church; I am 69 now. While there are a few things that Catholics teach that are not in the Bible I have not seen or been in or read the doctrines of any Protestant Church that are all contained in the Bible either. I am 69 y/o now and wish all churches would teach and obey all of the Bible as our Lord Jesus did.

    God bless everyone here and lead everyone into all truth, knowledge, and wisdom and the knowledge of the infinite love our Heavenly Father has for us. Amen.

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